Posts by Vernon Williams

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Posting Here: secretly or openly?

by AllAlongTheWatchtower in

just curious, how many of you have to hide the fact that you post here from family?

i'm especially thinking of those with spouses who are in, while they themselves either never were, faded, dfed/daed, etc but if you are a child hiding it from parents, that applies too.

if you are posting secretly, how secretive do you have to be?

Vernon Williams

Lore,

How wonderful it would be to be your age and "aware!"

Wishing you wisdom and progress,

V

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Posting Here: secretly or openly?

by AllAlongTheWatchtower in

just curious, how many of you have to hide the fact that you post here from family?

i'm especially thinking of those with spouses who are in, while they themselves either never were, faded, dfed/daed, etc but if you are a child hiding it from parents, that applies too.

if you are posting secretly, how secretive do you have to be?

Vernon Williams

Vernon Willliams, 423 W. Nellie, Monett, MO 65708

Openly.....

V

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growing up, we were only allowed to associate with our jw side of the family, over the past 10+ years i have been getting closer to my "worldly family' all i have to say is man i didn't know i had such loving, normal family.

it was a little too late when i started to visit my grandfather, he died shortly after my attempts to connect.

however, it was really weird at first, getting to know cousins, aunts and uncles who i've always had such limited contact with, i feel really pissed off about it, i have such a great family that i missed out on, i am now writing once a week to my uncle who is in iraq, and trying to keep contact with everyone, and even meet some cousins who i never met before, but i feel like someone who arrived late to the party.. does anyone else have the same kind of story?

Vernon Williams

My extended family are not JWs. My wife's the same. We missed out on so much focusing on the "relationships" in the Org. What a missed opportunnity! Our families are wonderful and interesting and supportive: all that is, mostly, a lost cause for us...too late.

Connect and build with what you have in the time left....

Wishing you the best,

V

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A BIG Thank You to You All!!

by R.F. in

jw
friends

i know i've been posting here on jwd for only a month and a half or so, but i would like to give everyone here a big thank you!!.

i know i've come here and it seems like mostly venting from me, but it means alot for you all to listen and give much advise.

it's kinda like big sister or big brother....you've been there and done that(still doing it for many of you) and your giving little brother valuable advise.. there has been so much to go on in my life in the last month or so that i've never been through, but i'd first say that i've gotten this unbelieveable strength from god, along with your helping hands along the way.

Vernon Williams

RF,

The Cool Part: this is just the START of a new section of This Journey!

Best wishes....keep posting......

V

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Update! Drew Sagan is no longer a Jehovah's Witness

by drew sagan in

jw
friends

as promised here is all of the info regarding what has been going on.

per the last jc with the elders i realized that all i had done was buy time.

they felt that we should be df'ed right on the spot, but because i made a plea to wait for a letter coming back from the wts they decided to hold on taking such action.

Vernon Williams

Drew and wife,

Congrads. "Free at last.....free at last......."

You guys did the best you could.....

The Elders did not pray when they met with me, either. Refused. Considering the group: not that strange. One of the things that mark the pastors I enteract with is this: they pray A :LOT.

Keep the board posted on your progress.

Yours in this Journey,

V

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So....What Do You Think Happens When We Die???

by minimus in

jw
friends

are we going to heaven hell, purgatory?

are we able to sense anything?

do we really die??

Vernon Williams

As I understand the "orthodox" Christian teaching...the one closest to center thier is a "particular" judgement and a "general" judgement. We recieve the first at death, the second at the Comming in Glory of our Lord. The first is our personal awareness, the second everyone is aware of the outcome and the reasons.

I, personally, believe we go to "The Land of the Dead" and await the, future, judgement of Christ.

V

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Update: So I've been going to some meetings (and other things)

by WingCommander in

i've been absent from this board from some time, as i've been through alot the past few months.

firstly, my mother passed away after complications from her surgery.

so i've lost my entire family since 1999. i'm an only child.

Vernon Williams

Wing,

I am new to the board and, to memory, have not read your posts.

First, I want to wish you the best over the loss of your family members. I lost my Dad in '82 and my sis about ten years ago to colon cancer....bad time....be assured of my empathy....

In regard to your return to the WT: I am somewhat "stumped."

In the book "1984," in the end, knowing "Big Brother" is a farce, the main charecter "returns" to the embrace of Big Brother. He is not moving toward the screen (or whatever was happening), but, his feet are making little movements under the table as if he were. That scene has haunted me since I read that book many, many years ago.

In my appraisal, you are returning to "Big Brother." You have, no doubt, researched enough to know the foundation for the suppossed authority (607 and the 144,000) is unprovable and everthing argues against thier idea. They have forged a "different Good News" and stand accursed before the throne of Christ as a result. They rewrite History: thier own and secular. They can not stand in an open debate on any of the central dogmas of the WT.

And, they lie. Worse, they require lying as a pledge of loyalty to the WT.

They are anti-Christ in the central goal of all JWs is to either destroy the relationship you have with Jesus or cause it never to form.

And, to top it off, many of the things you believe and will do with your self and child (ren) are against the teachings of the Org and will cause friction and strife.

Need I go on?......

So, I am baffled with your decision.

There must be (as Paul Harvey would say) something tied up "in the rest of the Story"

I feel sorry for your child (ren) the most: bringing them into contact with the mythical, non-Christian, un-reality of this destructive, delusional cult.

Had my say,

Yours in this Journey,

V

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Thoughts while mowing the yard

by Undecided in

jw
friends

i was mowing the yard this morning and as usual i was thinking about life and such.

there were weeds with pretty little flowers and some cherry trees trying to grow.

i just mowed them down because i like the way grass looks better.

Vernon Williams

Un,

I figured out how to go back and read the older posts of the folks on the board. I have just finished reading several of yours. You seem to be aware of Life around you: you spend a great deal of time observing "stuff" and thinking about all the different inter-actions going on around you. It seems you have all this stuff floating about, however, it does not seem to be arranged in a logical order...you seem to be searching for the the proper pattern to allow it all to make sense.

Am I wrong in my observation?

V

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I am going to TRY and leave JWD for the time being!

by AK - Jeff in

i am an addict.

and that is one good reason to back off some.

but the overriding reason is that my nerves have been frayed lately by the actions of a hidden 'stalker', a jw who is hiding behind a cyber-curtain.

Vernon Williams

Jeff,

When I read your posts, I appreciate you are a balanced, empathetic, and caring man. Resting for a bit might be refreshing. Thank you for your insight, experiences, and rationality.

We have to do what we have to do.....

Take care,

Yours in this Journey,

V

letter on child abuse cases

by Vernon Williams in

jim whitney, a good man, posted a letter on channel c. jim is very knowledgable about this situaiton.

he was a witness in the proceedings.

he has great empathy and concern for those hurt by this disaster.. link:.

Vernon Williams

Jim Whitney, a good man, posted a letter on Channel C. Jim is very knowledgable about this situaiton. He was a witness in the proceedings. He has great empathy and concern for those hurt by this disaster.

LInk:

http://www.channelc.org/cgi-bin/eboard30/index2.cgi?frames=no&board=Main&mode=Current&message=23971